Saturday, March 28

The father of Peter Brewes of Wiston

Paul Mackenzie is a keen researcher of the Brewes family. He has provided his observations concerning the possible father of Peter de Brewes of Wiston - one of the long-time questions for Brewes researchers.

Peter de Brewes of Wiston - Redux

It appears that there are only six possible candidates for the father of Peter de Brewes of Wiston.  All the evidence suggests he was a younger son, in that he did not inherit any lands as an elder would have done, but rather he acquired them by way of marriage or purchase.  However there does not appear to be any primary evidence concerning his father.

(I) Peter de Brewes of Tetbury b1272 d1312
The only strong evidence is circumstantial in that, in the grant of Wiston to Peter de Brewes there is a remainder to Peter de Brewes, son of Thomas.  This is assumed to be Thomas de Brewes son of said Peter de Brewes of Tetbury.  This candidate is favoured by some genealogists as being the father of Peter de Brewes of Wiston.  However, there are two major problems.   Firstly, Peter of Tetbury died in 1312 and this would mean Peter of Wiston was born before that date, which seems too early. Secondly, there is a letters patent made by the king in 1500 concerning a one Thomas Cokesey. A consequence of which is that according to law, Peter de Brewes of Wiston was not the son of Peter de Brewes of Tetbury. Substantial evidence would be required to overcome this "legal fact".

(II) Giles de Brewes of Buckingham d1305
The only circumstantial evidence is that both held lands in Buckinghamshire.  This would mean Peter was born before 1305 which seems unlikely

(III) Sir Giles de Brewes of Norfolk b1272 d1310
This would mean Peter would had been born before 1310, and again seems unlikely

(IV) William de Brewes Junior b1280-86 liv 1323
William has been the traditional candidate for Peter’s father, though he has fallen out of favour in recent years.  It is believed he entered the clergy.  There is no circumstantial evidence at all.

(V) Sir Richard de Breuse of Stradbroke Suffolk b1276  d c1320
It is possible Peter may have been a younger son of Sir Richard. In the 1350s a Peter de Breuse knight had associations in the same area of Suffolk. A Sir Peter was acting as a trustee on behalf of the abbot and convent of Bury in 1350 and 1353. Again this Sir Peter was acting in 1358 as a trustee for lands in Fornham St. Martin, Fornham St. Genevieive and Great Barton, Suffolk. In 1353 Peter de Brewoes a knight of Suffolk acknowledged that he owed William Hampstead two hundred and eighty pounds. We can identify who is this Peter de Brewoes from the transaction itself. A Peter de Brewes purchased the manor of Chesham Bois in Buckinghamshire from William de Hampstead who had acquired it in 1350 from Sir John de Moleyns [See VCH Bucks]. Presumably, this debt owed by Peter de Brewoes to William de Hampstead was for the part or full payment due to the purchase of Chesham Bois Manor. It is well known that this Peter de Brewes of Chesham Bois, subsequently purchased the manor of Wiston of Sussex.

(VI) An unknown member of the de Brewes family.

Paul Mackenzie

Monday, June 12

The Beauchamp - Braose marriage

Another piece of evidence has come to light. It is a description of a document held in the archives of Magdalen College, Oxford.  


It is known from other sources that a member of the Beauchamp family was married to Bertha, daughter of William de Braose who died in 1211. This document seemed to imply that her husband was Walter de Beauchamp.

It prompted a lot of discussion on the soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup in June 2017 but the conclusion was drawn that the wording was not clear enough to rule out the previously held view that Bertha was Walter's mother, rather than his wife.

Tuesday, February 24

New Website Address

The Braose website has moved! Virgin have discontinued my free site so I had to find a new home for it. The new homepage is here. The site has moved as a whole so all the internal links are the same.

If you have a site with any links to the Braose site you just need to change the

http://freespace.virgin.net/doug.thompson/    part of any page URL

to  http://douglyn.co.uk/

Thanks for your visit!

Tuesday, February 21

More Tregoz evidence

My research into the Braose Tregoz marriage (see Braose and Tregoz - Feb 19th below)) has led me to believe that I have discovered the identity of the mother of Robert de Tregoz who was married to Sibyl de Ewyas.

It seems that William de Tregoz, Robert’s father was married to a daughter of Philip de Braose, second Lord of Bramber.

The evidence for the marriage came from an entry in the Christchurch Priory Cartulary (no 654). This entry concerns a John de Tregoz. It mentions his sons, John, Henry and Thomas and his brother Robert.

John and his son had some disputes with Fécamp Abbey which were resolved by an agreement in 1194. (Cal. Doc. France 142) In this the younger John was joined by “Philip his uncle” in pledging their faith. The consent of John’s brothers Henry and Thomas is also noted.

Both Philip and Robert de Tregoz made grants to Boxgrove Priory in the 1180s and 1190s. A witness to Philip’s grant is “my brother Robert”. (Cott. MS. Claud. A. vi, fol. 65 quoted by L F Salzman in Sussex Archaeological Collections Vol 93 [1955] pp34-58)

This Robert is then the Robert de Tregoz who was keeper of the castle of Old Sarum 1191-99 and was granted lands in Sussex in 1194 (Salzman). He is known to have married Sibyl de Ewyas.

In 1190, Richard I had confirmed grants to St Stephen’s, Caen made by Robert Tregoz and his father William. (Cal. Doc. France 460)

To summarise we have a family, descended from William de Tregoz which consists of brothers John, Robert and Philip. John’s sons are John, Henry and Thomas. The elder John’s mother was a sister of William de Braose. (The time scales indicate that this must have been the son of Philip de Braose).

Hence William de Tregoz was married to a daughter of Philip de Braose and she was the mother of Robert de Tregoz.

Sunday, February 19

Braose and Tregoz

An early Braose marriage seems not to be documented by any of the genealogies I have seen. It is between a daughter of Philip de Braose, the second Lord of Bramber, and a Tregoz, father of both Philip de Tregoz, sheriff of Sussex in 1190, and Robert de Tregoz, keeper of the castle of Sarum, 1190-1199.

The evidence comes from a charter of another of his sons, John, who granted lands in Dorset to Christchurch Priory (Christchurch Cartulary 654). The charter describes the lands as having been of William de Braose’s fee, the dowry of John’s mother, William’s sister.

This John was also a witness to a charter of William de Braose in about 1140 (Chartulary of Sele Priory) and disputes between this John, his son John and the Abbey of Fécamp are settled at Steyning in 1194. (Cal. Doc. France 142) So the close connection between the Tregoz family and the Braose interests seems to have continued.

This then is evidence for a previously unknown daughter of Philip de Braose and makes the Sussex branch of the Tregoz family another set of Braose descendants.

The arms shown here are those used by Henry de Tregoz, one of the barons who set their seals to the 1301 letter to the Pope. All the notable members of the Tregoz family used the same design in varying colour combinations.